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the play disrupting masters almost

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this clearly may be something there

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beyond the realm of man

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already tested every last poster boy you

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think you know the less you can be dude

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check show

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all right higher side chatters as we

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know by now the once widespread and

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celebrated activities of ritual dance

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powerful enchantments communal

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entheogenic exploration peering through

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multi-dimensional window areas

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imagination cultivation by the

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flickering glow of the campfires edge

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and a whole grab bag of shamanic

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activities have largely faded to the

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brink of obscurity and that

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invincibility inducing trip to the Stars

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guided by a strange brew and a rhythmic

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ocurro's has been replaced by a trip to

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the couch where auto-tuned barking out

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of solace pop stars radiates from the

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flickering glow of a 60-inch Plasma just

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loud enough to drown out the sound of

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millions coughing up Big Pharma's

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prescription for complete and total

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numbness with a side of fries now this

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horrific fall from magical grace may

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largely be due to the unfortunate result

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of its inborn slippery nature or for the

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more conspiratorial he minded because

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it's been victim of a two

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thousand-year-old slash-and-burn

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campaign where rather enlightening world

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views in a sense of the spirits were

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replaced by a bearded man in the clouds

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and the material atheism counterpoint in

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a concerted effort to fill the minds of

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man with anything but magic and it's

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time we shake that off because from the

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Sumerian text to the layout of

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Washington DC we can obviously see that

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somebody knows something we forgot magic

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is all around us so it's time to stop

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hating and start participating stop

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fearing and start adhering because the

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spirits are home whether you know how to

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ring the doorbell or not and so now more

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than ever it's clear a resurgence of the

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magical perspective is needed and thus

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back in the THD saddle for a sixth time

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ready to ride this wave once again and

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running away with the title of returning

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champion is the Sir William Wallace of

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Wizards my friend and yours Gordon white

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he restored the magical context of our

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past and starships he updated the spells

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for our modern economic reality and the

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chaos protocols and now he's cocking up

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the cracks and stitching up the seams

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between the two and a new e-book pieces

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of a Chaos magic essays and enchantments

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the proud father of three amazing books

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and of course rune soup calm my primary

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mapmaker for the magical worldview if

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sharks were sorceress he'd be the great

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white Gordon my man welcome back to my

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humble sanctuary

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thank you very much Greg number six six

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ton on the show oh yeah man lucky

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number six yeah and dude it is always a

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pleasure you know I've got so many

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we'd start with something from campfires

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edge this is a presentation you have for

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free members of your site that functions

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as a companion piece for starships I

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really loved it I think any THD fan

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would and I think a major assumption the

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data you present there corrects is that

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magic is not something we created it's

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more a part of our environment as

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natural as thunderstorms and it predates

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us and our noticing of it because it's

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baked into reality well why do you think

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this is important to reiterate how does

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trap that the minority of us who live in

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this late capitalist Western

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civilization fall into because actually

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entire population of the planet across

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time it's really only been us in a small

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sliver of us that have kind of fallen by

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the wayside the the understanding that

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the universe is in some sense magical is

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a word I use but actually if people who

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listen to THC really stop and think

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about it they hear because they're

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getting their head around the idea of

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extra dimensional entities and psy

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phenomena and so on and that means that

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you can call it what you like you live

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in a magical universe and that's kind of

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really where we're at from the

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perspective of sort of reformulating

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modern history ancient history the

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Paleolithic and going the entire way

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back we're at a point where materialism

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is falling away but we're in this kind

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of still scientifical or technologically

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complex culture that has given us a

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number of tools we previously didn't

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have for the analysis of the universe in

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general and it's throwing up things like

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remote viewing and it's throwing up

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things like telepathy and near-death

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experiences and after death contact in

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ways that are verifiable to the point

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exists so if it exists we need to fold

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it back into the model and that's kind

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of what campfires edge was about we now

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but we have more than we used to about

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how the kind of human spirit world

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interaction works and we should use

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those data points as a torch to sort of

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look back across the time line and see

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if additional insights or an improved

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context emerges as a result yeah all

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right head on and you know going with

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the magic is baked into the universe

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thing you rightfully point out I believe

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in Pieces of Eight that any model for

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magic really needs to work off planet as

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well as on and when you fold in data

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that seems to prove that there are

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man-made structures on Mars as well as

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several other bodies in the solar system

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meaning you know previous civilizations

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other beans this has rarely talked about

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implications talk to us about those

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implications and how you kind of tie

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those things together

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sure well that in many ways that's a

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gentle dig at a cultist in in in the

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first and kind of you follow just in the

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second contemporary occultism in the

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the Renaissance to the 18th century to

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do with astrological magic and timing

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day and and even by the 18th century

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people were aware of it and I appreciate

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we're getting into dodgy THC territory

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we're aware that the earth wasn't the

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center of the universe and we were in a

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solar system and so on magic still

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functions in this kind of a mandatory

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astrological way from the outer planets

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in and man is this microcosm and and so

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on and that sort of works as a

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storehouse for ideas and correspondence

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for the actual use of magic but it

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doesn't like it provably doesn't

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describe reality and we now have sets of

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things that do is the aforementioned

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sigh phenomena and spirits and so on but

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sitter xenon 129 in the Martian

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atmosphere indicating nuclear bombs that

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were used in the set of 250 million to

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he's maybe right that the culture that

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was bombed was Bronze Age and so on but

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signatures in the in the at

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needs to be there and so we have kind of

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an emerging sigh consciousness spirit

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world model here on earth and we have

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evidence in our new neighborhood of

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other beings of this similar level or

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more of complexity to humans so what I

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if the spirit world is here it must

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exist throughout the universe yeah and

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about because that necessarily implies

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that there are I mean these are dodgy

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words but like they're alien ghosts or

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alien electronic voice phenomena and

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Brandenburg's bombs there weren't even

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really dinosaurs on the earth so they

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were they weren't humans that were

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around to have a memory of that

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happening on the planet right but there

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are things about Mars that have survived

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into sort of esotericism or magic or if

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Classical Age right that kind of matched

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some of the things we know about it now

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and you go well it's as surprising that

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it's the war planet and the one planet

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that appears to have been bombed in our

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solar system yeah we associate with war

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for instance in your kind of thing well

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where did that idea come from and

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interestingly however much it sounds

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even more crazy when you're talking

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about say magic in ufology if you go

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literally maybe maybe there's some kind

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of contact with other parts of the

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spirit world again it's kind of got to

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logically follow the model along if

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there is a spirit world here what does

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it does it stop does it stop halfway to

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the moon is it like a a magnetic field I

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don't think that works it's contained

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within the panel and radiation belt

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obviously right and we also have kids

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with memories of past lives that kind of

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jive with John Brandenburg's work to an

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extent yeah and so I really like I

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really like like past lives that kids

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remember rather than the ones that

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people who and I've done this obviously

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most people have but like when she gets

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a sort of adult age and you kind of do a

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regression and find it because that's

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selects and that's why everyone seems to

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think they're in Egyptian priestess or

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so on because if you have an interest in

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spirituality

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if the reincarnation or model works then

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chances are you've had you know multiple

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spiritual lives so you don't get very

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good data out of it because the

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materialists of the atheists don't go

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and get past life regressions it's just

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the people who are already into it so

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the date is a bit messy whereas like a

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four year old doesn't know or care

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either way and so you get really

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interesting past life data out of them

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and it's not to assert you know a fool

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because you're dealing with memories

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that have kind of crossed bodies so it's

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not assert that it's some kind of DV

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recording of of an event that happened

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but there again you get these components

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you go well that's funny that has a

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fuzzy overlap with some of their Richard

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Hoagland John Brandenburg stuff hell

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yeah and you mentioned alien ghosts but

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not only dead aliens and I bring this up

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because in a recent magic themed episode

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with Mike's intention I had a stoner

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moment when he was explaining his entity

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encounters on the spiritual plane and I

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thought is it possible that these beans

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that you're interacting with are the

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projected consciousness of physical

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beings on other planets the same way

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people from different countries all log

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in to the call of duty servers we don't

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assume the people we encounter in the

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game actually lived there we assume they

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tapped into the realm from the same way

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we did just a different location and I

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think that that's a perspective I

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haven't heard talked about much makes a

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ton of sense to me and you having much

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more experience with this stuff than I

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do how far do you think you can run with

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that idea

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well Greg I'll do you one better I mean

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I remember in the 90s when the

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manifestation of aliens that we would

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call the greys was really really big

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like in culture and on TV and so on and

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people who were taking this thing

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seriously say like who by the quote

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unquote examined a body or had

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experiences and they don't have mouths

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that work and so on I I think they they

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might be biological cyborgs that that

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kind of consciousness projects into I

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mean if you look at how if you look at

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how we're experiencing Mars we sent a

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robot we send a robot that we can

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essentially think and see through

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because it's better it's a better use of

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energy to do that and yes absolutely

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there's another component of it

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and whitley strieber mentions this in

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the book that he released this year with

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dr. john [\h__\h] where he thinks one of

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the sort of hallmarks of an advanced

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off-planet culture is that it will have

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achieved a way of having kind of

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lossless communication between life and

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death

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hmm and funnily enough we could be great

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leaps towards that if we had rather than

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ignored the kind of 19th century Society

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for psychical research I mean it looks

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hokey to us now with them all these

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Victorians sitting around a table or

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listening into a phonograph and so on

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but but the idea behind it was that this

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emerging technology of communication

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like radio and phonographs and so on

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could be if we kind of doubled down on

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that from a spirit world perspective we

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might actually build a way to do that so

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that you could essentially Skype your

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dead grandmother rather than your living

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grandmother and we may presume and this

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is Whitley's idea that we may presume

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that there are off planet cultures that

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have done that and then that really

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opens up the kind of insights you can

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get about how the universe functions so

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you're essentially looking at cultures

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that may continue to evolve where you

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know the dead and the living continue to

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evolve together and you're gonna start

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getting really interesting technologies

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and for us as the experiences of that it

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suddenly becomes very difficult to say

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well is that what a ghost or is that one

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like a live one that's using ghost

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technology or vice-versa or if they has

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has a ghost or a living one sent sent

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like a droid and it's these are very I

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mean I love this kind of stuff this is

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sort of very THC discussions but this is

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the the implications of sort of

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propagating what I consider to be the

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reality the spirit world here on earth

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kind of out throughout the galaxy that

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yeah I don't think it stops somewhere

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near Mars or wherever and it allows or

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it invites revisions to the model of how

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we think these things function but also

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kind of revisions to what we think maybe

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is the point of it all yeah man it's a

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great three line but how do you rectify

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dead spirits with the data

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suggest multiple wives um

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because I don't think the reincarnation

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one or this two so let's assume

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reincarnation is a thing I don't think

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it works in the sort of outward Tibetan

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Buddhist model where you kind of caught

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in a washing machine and you go round

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and around and around against your will

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and funnily enough again this at a kid's

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past life memories suggest that that is

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in fact not the case and so our natural

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home if you will be in the spirit world

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is where we tend to exist and you kind

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of come here or there or wherever in the

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physical and an intentional basis as a

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as an experiential trip so you can

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either do it or not do it you can do

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loads of it it kind of depends what you

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and other people you choose to incarnate

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with one to do now that's to assume that

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the reincarnation or model works and I

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think it does in in some sense I

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actually don't like the word I like to

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think that I instead I like to assert

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the kind of sovereignty or the

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individuality of a spirit so that you

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may show up here once and go well this

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place is [\h__\h] I'm not coming back or

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you might like skiing so you'd come back

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a lot I don't know rather than there

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being like a rule like owner you have to

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go back I don't like the kind of forced

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high school metaphor of reincarnation

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that you find in in the New Age where

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you kind of move up the grades and

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graduate I don't see that matching the

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data no that's assuming reincarnation in

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some way is a thing

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mmm the other option of course is and

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this is things that we do in fact have

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data for however something like remote

404
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viewing works where an existing

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consciousness can gain access to

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information about things or people that

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have happened

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further up the timeline or further back

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down the timeline means that you may not

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necessarily be remembering a thing that

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happens to you you may be pulling it out

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of the cosmic library so it would

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present as a memory of someone else

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because that's what it is but you might

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have actually metaphorically picked to

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that book up off the shelf and it would

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look like your memory so it gets

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challenging and the data is kind of

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split both ways and so I wouldn't

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necessarily get hung up on the whole

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well the populations

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so how can reincarnation work and I'm

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like well because in most Animus

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cultures you'll find that the spirit

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world is vastly more populated in the

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physical so we're not going to run out

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of people but also it kind of implies

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they're either the washing machine model

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or the high-school model is in some

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sense in play and I think people need to

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examine that a little bit closer when

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they're thinking about previous

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existences for one I think that happens

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I think people do come back of their own

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volition or in a way that isn't regular

436
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again like a washing machine or traffic

437
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lights you don't just it's not on a

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clock because like anyone else who's

439
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been involved in magic for you know long

440
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enough I have a few of them again

441
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because I went looking for them so it's

442
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not like they spontaneously emerged but

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they feel more like memories rather than

444
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books picked off the shelf of the cosmic

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library there's obviously so many

446
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possibilities that kind of gets into the

447
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inception thing - of how do you know

448
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when you wake up in the morning that all

449
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your memories aren't just pre-loaded

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exactly and this is all good it's like

451
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going to a consciousness gym these are

452
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all really good ideas to run through

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because it means that you don't kind of

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fixate on one right and that can then

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kind of mutate or kind of warp either

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your own model or your own experience of

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existence so I'm thinking like that I

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mean there this is you know it's classic

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TAC stuff they're really good stoner

460
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thoughts to be like seriously what if

461
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the universe just started half a second

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ago like you'll never know literally

463
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you'll never know for sure it also

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touches on that concept of maybe when

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you die you wake up with the bong in

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your hand and a circle of Grey's around

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you asking how that last hit was you

468
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know exactly or maybe maybe spirits

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being like so how was it Frank what was

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earth like it's crazy it could be

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anything and you're foolish to think you

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know for sure but in a time when it's

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trendy to steer away from the physical

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et hypothesis let's hit it head-on

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you've been writing about this star in

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the Cygnus constellation that might have

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a Dyson Sphere built around it which

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I'll let you explain but what's being

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suggested here and how likely does it

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look that something like that might be

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actually true uh at the moment the data

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suggests it is the case but the

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Challenge is when it first came out last

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year was following it reasonably closely

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and I gave a talk this really fun

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haunted high woman's in London about it

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and one of the predictions that it is

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rather than just sort of meteors or

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detritus that's orbiting around the star

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in the sky Neve reducing its brightness

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as we observe it here on earth is that

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it will dim further in you know in a

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year's time in two years time which

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would kind of match with the idea that

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the Dyson Sphere is is approaching

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completion right because once it's

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completed we won't get any of the light

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all right there's like a covering over

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it exactly that's what a Dyson Sphere is

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it's a cover over a star so that you can

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you know harvest all the Tenergy

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big project yeah it is but again like

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when you build in space we're not that

504
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far off it in a sense it one hundred

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hundred fifty years off rather than like

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you know what's happening now and that

507
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happened it has gotten dimmer this year

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versus last year the challenge is and it

509
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was kind of in that classic mainstream

510
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media way at the bottom of some of the

511
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articles it essentially said oh yeah so

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we've given it to these astronomers at

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this fancy university and you know it's

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it's right in the middle of the DARPA

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Triangle they basically gave it to this

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sort of network of and this is what you

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would do obviously if it was if you kind

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of think it's aliens you would give it

519
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to the same University depart echoes

520
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University departments that give us you

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know there's terrifying robot dogs and

522
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and so on so we're now at a point where

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we go okay what information we get now

524
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is necessarily going to be mediated

525
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because you would assume in the

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background behind the curtain so to

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speak if is the possibility that it's a

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civilization that's further the

529
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Kardashev scale and only 93 you know I'd

530
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like not that far away like less than a

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hundred light-years from us it does

532
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actually become a national security

533
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thing and so it has gotten dimmer but

534
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we're not gonna get too much past that I

535
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imagine probably sometime before

536
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Christmas they'll be like no it turns

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out it was naturally occurring and it

538
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may well be you know but we will never

539
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really be able to take that explanation

540
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to the bank because they've washed it

541
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through DARPA you essentially

542
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hmmm provocative I love it man and I

543
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already do here the flat earthers typing

544
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:42,410
about how there is no space in your

545
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:44,450
shell and I apologize in advance that's

546
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:44,960
alright

547
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:49,730
a big part of pieces of eight to me is

548
00:20:53,530 --> 00:20:52,010
trying to find a worldview that is most

549
00:20:56,170 --> 00:20:53,540
accurate as you say once you kind of

550
00:20:58,420 --> 00:20:56,180
torch materialism you got to have

551
00:21:01,690 --> 00:20:58,430
something to stand on and you describe

552
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:01,700
idealism as well as animism and say that

553
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,890
it is more useful for the magician to

554
00:21:07,660 --> 00:21:05,840
consider living systems not as some

555
00:21:09,820 --> 00:21:07,670
unaware little Eddie's in a universal

556
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:09,830
consciousness field but as outposts to

557
00:21:13,540 --> 00:21:10,850
the spirit world

558
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,550
such perspective has a pleasing side

559
00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:15,440
effect of making the experience of

560
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:17,990
day-to-day life much richer well who

561
00:21:22,299 --> 00:21:20,480
doesn't want life to be richer but you

562
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:22,309
know can you explain or elaborate on

563
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:25,420
some of this for the uninitiated sure so

564
00:21:30,780 --> 00:21:28,250
idealism is the idea and I like idealism

565
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:30,790
let me be clear there's something that

566
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:33,050
Rudolf Steiner said at the end of the

567
00:21:38,890 --> 00:21:36,770
1800s when there was kind of inside the

568
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:38,900
Theosophical Society and there's groups

569
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:40,850
they were beefing because they thought

570
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:42,050
one of them and found the world teacher

571
00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:43,520
and they are arguing over whether that

572
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,020
was important the usual kind of stuff

573
00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:47,360
that happens with esoteric groups and he

574
00:21:53,470 --> 00:21:51,350
sort of said look the actual enemy such

575
00:21:55,810 --> 00:21:53,480
as it is is materialism like we can kind

576
00:21:57,490 --> 00:21:55,820
of quibble over whether you think this

577
00:21:59,169 --> 00:21:57,500
guy you found in India is the world

578
00:22:02,169 --> 00:21:59,179
teacher or whether you think it isn't

579
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:02,179
but where there is more of an alignment

580
00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:05,210
in our understanding that materialism is

581
00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:07,820
false right yeah and so that's kind of

582
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:09,950
how I feel about idealism and idealism

583
00:22:17,230 --> 00:22:13,450
is the idea that everything is

584
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:17,240
consciousness rather than matter and so

585
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:19,850
the physical world is a kind of

586
00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:22,370
accretion out of this sort of single

587
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:24,470
divine mind and it's it's it's sort of a

588
00:22:28,270 --> 00:22:25,370
warmed-over

589
00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:28,280
vedic idea as it's expressed in Western

590
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:30,590
culture now and it's like that explains

591
00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:31,910
the universe better than materialism

592
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:33,590
because as I kind of go through in that

593
00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:35,210
chapter materialism doesn't even explain

594
00:22:38,290 --> 00:22:36,740
material very well like it's it's

595
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,300
embarrassing and it obviously utterly

596
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:40,640
fails with consciousness so idealism

597
00:22:44,290 --> 00:22:42,710
kind of works from that perspective but

598
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:44,300
you still left with what I now call

599
00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:46,010
Brahmans claiming

600
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:49,430
where you have too much as Richard

601
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:50,690
Dawkins will tell you if you have a

602
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:52,490
spirit experience where your deceased

603
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:53,810
grandmother comes and speaks to you

604
00:23:00,400 --> 00:22:56,810
Dawkins will tell you you're wrong he

605
00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:00,410
will mansplain that that was an error of

606
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:04,070
your brain chemicals bla bla bla buy my

607
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,490
book hm-hmm brahma and spraining is kind

608
00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:09,200
of to say if you have that experience

609
00:23:12,610 --> 00:23:10,820
you will still get the same thing from a

610
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:12,620
kind of vedic teacher perspective which

611
00:23:18,570 --> 00:23:16,490
is your consciousness is in error

612
00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:18,580
because you've had created this ego and

613
00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:21,080
so your experience of the universe is

614
00:23:25,030 --> 00:23:23,150
mediated because of this kind of false

615
00:23:28,270 --> 00:23:25,040
ego that you need to destroy so that you

616
00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:28,280
kind of you know dissolve back into

617
00:23:32,290 --> 00:23:30,440
their one consciousness and so you're

618
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:32,300
still asserting to someone that their

619
00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:34,610
experience of the universe is incorrect

620
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:38,900
it's fundamentally in error and I don't

621
00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:40,610
resonate with that I I think both of

622
00:23:44,650 --> 00:23:41,870
those things much like the sort of

623
00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:44,660
original sin are there because implanted

624
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:46,700
into spiritual systems for political and

625
00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:49,370
control reasons back in the day because

626
00:23:52,930 --> 00:23:51,260
you require a qualified priest to tell

627
00:23:54,550 --> 00:23:52,940
you what isn't isn't reality like we've

628
00:23:56,980 --> 00:23:54,560
been down this road I don't care for it

629
00:23:59,020 --> 00:23:56,990
that being said like there's nothing

630
00:24:02,200 --> 00:23:59,030
necessarily wrong with idealism until

631
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,210
you it kind of breaks or bends a little

632
00:24:08,170 --> 00:24:04,240
bit and they get uncomfortable with

633
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:08,180
things like sacred mountains or fetish

634
00:24:12,190 --> 00:24:10,370
objects in magic so in in sort of

635
00:24:14,050 --> 00:24:12,200
hermetic magic is a survival of the

636
00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:14,060
Egyptian idea of touring God stone into

637
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:17,630
statues you can empower you know a

638
00:24:21,970 --> 00:24:20,330
gemstone or something and draw down a

639
00:24:25,060 --> 00:24:21,980
spirit or intelligence into it so that

640
00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:25,070
it literally animates right hmm you can

641
00:24:28,810 --> 00:24:27,830
kind of work that into idealism it bends

642
00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:28,820
a bit because it said well that's

643
00:24:31,450 --> 00:24:30,230
another fragment of a universal

644
00:24:33,220 --> 00:24:31,460
consciousness that we're pulling into

645
00:24:35,650 --> 00:24:33,230
another fragment of it but your

646
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,660
experience so it is in error and and you

647
00:24:39,310 --> 00:24:37,520
know blah blah blah and they write that

648
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,320
same thing happens when you try to push

649
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:41,600
the idealist model to explain if things

650
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:44,210
I'm particularly interested in like you

651
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,050
know ufology and and sigh effects and

652
00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:50,000
all in contact with the dead and and all

653
00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:51,230
that well it's all right for some say

654
00:24:55,780 --> 00:24:53,720
effects like telepathy here's the thing

655
00:24:57,180 --> 00:24:55,790
it can model it I would prefer everyone

656
00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:57,190
who's out there if the choice is between

657
00:25:02,259 --> 00:24:59,450
materialism and idealism for the

658
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:02,269
of God go with idealism but if you're

659
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:05,840
interested in in magic and you have had

660
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:07,610
experiences of things like haunted

661
00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:10,370
objects or books that have their own

662
00:25:15,490 --> 00:25:12,260
journey which i think is another thing

663
00:25:18,009 --> 00:25:15,500
that happens that works better in an

664
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:18,019
animus model which is the quickest way

665
00:25:20,830 --> 00:25:19,250
to get there is to kind of replace the

666
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:20,840
word consciousness with spirit world

667
00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:24,559
rather than one spirit spirit world in a

668
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:27,380
situation where there's more going on

669
00:25:31,899 --> 00:25:29,690
than it just being one universal

670
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,909
conscious field essentially vibrating

671
00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:33,919
the universe into existence the reality

672
00:25:37,539 --> 00:25:35,750
is I probably suspect that is in fact

673
00:25:39,490 --> 00:25:37,549
the case at like the very kind of

674
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,500
beginning point or in a very high level

675
00:25:43,930 --> 00:25:41,840
I think that's how everything runs but I

676
00:25:46,899 --> 00:25:43,940
think what it vibrates first is the

677
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:46,909
spirit world so you kind of stuck I

678
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:47,360
think

679
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:49,929
experientially animism works better now

680
00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:52,250
when I'm talking about physical systems

681
00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:54,230
well living systems in particular but

682
00:25:59,799 --> 00:25:56,870
sometimes other objects being an outpost

683
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,809
of the spirit world so a good example

684
00:26:04,419 --> 00:26:02,000
would be ayahuasca the difference

685
00:26:06,490 --> 00:26:04,429
between a Western kind of neo platonic

686
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:06,500
or platonic view of ayahuasca and an

687
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:10,100
animus one is in a neo platonic view the

688
00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:13,010
aia spirit will be in the vine in an

689
00:26:18,129 --> 00:26:16,190
animus view the vine is the spirit right

690
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:18,139
so and it's kind of like an iceberg

691
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:21,289
where it is the spirit 2% of it is in

692
00:26:27,970 --> 00:26:25,190
the physical 98% of it is in the spirit

693
00:26:29,740 --> 00:26:27,980
world and that's what I mean by view

694
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:29,750
them as outposts now this I actually

695
00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:31,370
have an interview earlier this year my

696
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:33,620
own podcast with UK academic called Jack

697
00:26:38,289 --> 00:26:35,809
hunter and he's released a book about

698
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:38,299
the impact of Charles fort and the

699
00:26:42,850 --> 00:26:40,690
potential impact of Charles fort on

700
00:26:44,259 --> 00:26:42,860
anthropology in the cultural studies and

701
00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:44,269
comparative religion great book great

702
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,750
guy and Ford had this idea that

703
00:26:54,009 --> 00:26:50,840
everything in the universe kind of

704
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,019
exists on a spectrum between the unreal

705
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:56,720
and the real and if you picture it like

706
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:00,059
a slider you have

707
00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:03,970
Frodo as further along the unreal

708
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:06,790
spectrum to say Obama but they're all

709
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:10,809
made up of the one kind of everything is

710
00:27:15,570 --> 00:27:12,370
on that spectrum everything you can

711
00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:15,580
conceive is in some sense real but then

712
00:27:19,860 --> 00:27:17,230
there is the sort of much more embodied

713
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:19,870
parts of it at this end and that is a

714
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:21,730
very good way of thinking about how an

715
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:24,250
outpost of the spirit world thing might

716
00:27:28,890 --> 00:27:27,610
work yeah and you suddenly get and again

717
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,900
what I'm looking forward to chaos magic

718
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:30,640
book what I am looking for here is a

719
00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:34,450
model that best describes reality for

720
00:27:38,730 --> 00:27:36,820
the purposes of like further enjoying

721
00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:38,740
and experiencing it but also for kind of

722
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,140
giving you a bit more mental space for

723
00:27:44,370 --> 00:27:43,120
the practice of magic and the one you

724
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:44,380
end up landing on and I find very

725
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:46,090
interesting and this is sort of in the

726
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:49,210
campfires edge presentation the one that

727
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:51,880
you kind of Goldilocks your way to and I

728
00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:53,580
goalie looks through all of them I went

729
00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:56,260
materialism pan psychism idealism and

730
00:27:59,910 --> 00:27:57,670
landed here so there's one of those

731
00:28:01,200 --> 00:27:59,920
dangerous things where there's like what

732
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:01,210
is it there's no zealot like a convert

733
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:04,420
like I came to his late I admit that but

734
00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:06,250
I find it very interesting that the

735
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:09,280
first religion or first spiritual

736
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:10,870
experience we can see on the

737
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:12,250
archaeological record

738
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:14,710
is this one that we Goldilocks our way

739
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:17,230
to at the end of let you can literally

740
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:18,700
think yourself to animism you don't even

741
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:20,710
have to experience your way there that's

742
00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:22,450
interesting to me because there's so

743
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:24,760
much of the kind of Western esoteric

744
00:28:29,910 --> 00:28:27,730
journey has been looking for the

745
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:29,920
perennial philosophy or the Prisco tale

746
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:34,630
logia or that kind of original spiritual

747
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,690
system of mankind because there's that

748
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:39,760
widespread and kind of not correct but

749
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:41,110
it's nevertheless culturally their

750
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:44,410
belief that we are in a declined state

751
00:28:51,870 --> 00:28:47,650
from that original elevated experience

752
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:51,880
of the world now I think maybe there's

753
00:28:55,169 --> 00:28:53,170
something to that it's just that we've

754
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:55,179
described it incorrectly and you kind of

755
00:28:58,650 --> 00:28:56,890
get some of that in starships but there

756
00:29:00,990 --> 00:28:58,660
it is like animism is the first thing we

757
00:29:04,169 --> 00:29:01,000
did and here we are two-thirds of the

758
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:04,179
way through 2016 and I think it

759
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:07,750
describes more coherently the most data

760
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:09,370
points that we have available that we'd

761
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:11,250
maybe didn't have available 15 years ago

762
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:13,090
boom

763
00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:14,650
I agree man and you know you've

764
00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:17,020
mentioned the Animus model before but I

765
00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:18,190
don't think we ever took the time to

766
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,470
explain it and I think it is a pretty

767
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:23,200
powerful model at least it seems like

768
00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:25,270
the most accurate one that I know of but

769
00:29:29,130 --> 00:29:27,280
to get back to I jump in there and

770
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:29,140
because we spoke about thinking our way

771
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:32,050
to it and just say I think the majority

772
00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:33,970
of people on earth are Animists right

773
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:35,470
yeah because it is actually how you

774
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,110
you're a pet owner so if you get Richard

775
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:40,480
Dawkins will come in or a Victorian

776
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:42,160
materialist the guys who invented this

777
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:44,410
premise of materialism will come in and

778
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:46,510
point at your cat and say there is

779
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:49,740
nothing in that it is just atoms

780
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:53,650
experiencing like the genetic drive to

781
00:29:59,010 --> 00:29:57,010
eat and breed that is it it is empty

782
00:30:00,450 --> 00:29:59,020
it's a machine and you look at this

783
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:00,460
they're like one what are you doing in

784
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:02,470
my house and - that's the wrongest

785
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:04,690
[\h__\h] thing I've ever heard and that's

786
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:06,570
where I think people don't realize that

787
00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:09,850
the day to day experience of the

788
00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:13,000
universe for most non insane people is

789
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:15,160
very animalistic we get feels of place

790
00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:17,650
we know that I'd like to assert that our

791
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:20,200
pets don't have personhood is moronic

792
00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:22,630
and that is interesting it must count

793
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,280
for something that the kind of natural

794
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:26,080
state of feeling and being in the

795
00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:28,330
universe is this one I don't know what

796
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:30,460
it counts for but I think it does yeah

797
00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:33,190
man and I did have a random question for

798
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:34,390
you about animals because I've been

799
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:36,970
wanting to do a show about animal

800
00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:39,010
consciousness or how animals interface

801
00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:40,750
with magic but I'm still having a hard

802
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:43,390
time finding a non lame way to do it but

803
00:30:48,210 --> 00:30:45,730
not only from a spirit animal

804
00:30:50,790 --> 00:30:48,220
perspective but there's also the

805
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:50,800
suggestion that dogs and cats see

806
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:53,050
spirits or that Egyptians held cats in

807
00:30:57,630 --> 00:30:54,970
high regard for some similar reasons I

808
00:30:59,970 --> 00:30:57,640
mean I see my black cat posting up more

809
00:31:02,010 --> 00:30:59,980
and more near my ancestor altar and I

810
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,020
have to wonder you know do you see any

811
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:04,240
truth to any of these kind of out there

812
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:06,490
suggestions about animals the thing is

813
00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:08,770
they're not out there when you when you

814
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:11,020
kind of reposition when you see even if

815
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:12,490
you do it as an experiment and say right

816
00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:14,530
I'm going to stop modeling the universe

817
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:16,420
from an animus perspective it's not out

818
00:31:19,470 --> 00:31:16,690
there

819
00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:19,480
that's exactly been but that's been the

820
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:21,070
story of human evolution and the human

821
00:31:26,620 --> 00:31:23,050
journey has been the animal allies that

822
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:26,630
we have encountered and kept with us cat

823
00:31:32,919 --> 00:31:30,860
dogs horses so on and we see them you

824
00:31:35,380 --> 00:31:32,929
know kind of ritually buried with Bulls

825
00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:35,390
heads with Neanderthals and and so on

826
00:31:40,990 --> 00:31:39,140
that journey of human and animal because

827
00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:41,000
that's what we are like it exists in the

828
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:42,470
physical and the non-physical and yes

829
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:45,679
absolutely the presence of the Egyptians

830
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:46,880
are very good at it because they had a

831
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:48,650
kind of full language for which animals

832
00:31:55,630 --> 00:31:53,330
do what but yes the sort of elevate

833
00:31:57,789 --> 00:31:55,640
elevated status of the cat in Egypt is

834
00:32:01,120 --> 00:31:57,799
not just because it would hunt mice in

835
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:01,130
in grain stores hmm it represents that

836
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,320
sort of sensual spirit world crossing of

837
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:04,880
course they can see they you know they

838
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:07,929
can hear thoughts that's it's very

839
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:11,510
British biomorphic fields Oh Rochelle

840
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,610
Drake yes I mean he's got all those

841
00:32:16,419 --> 00:32:15,200
experiments of when dogs can tell when

842
00:32:19,149 --> 00:32:16,429
you're coming home when we're happy like

843
00:32:20,919 --> 00:32:19,159
these are animals that are this is the

844
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:20,929
Animus model like of course they can see

845
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:22,880
or experience spirits and of course part

846
00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:25,130
of the reasons that they're around is is

847
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:28,400
that and if you look at how we have

848
00:32:31,539 --> 00:32:29,929
historically experienced the spirit

849
00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:31,549
world it's very therianthrope ik so

850
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:33,140
you'll either get animals or you'll get

851
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:35,480
part animals and and so on the idea that

852
00:32:41,289 --> 00:32:38,570
it's it's wacky or somehow fruity to

853
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:41,299
assert that your cat isn't a spirit or

854
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:42,950
can't see spirits is because we're

855
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:45,650
trying to formulate that at this point

856
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:48,230
in the timeline in the west where you

857
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:51,650
know in a post Descartes world the ideas

858
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:53,450
that we're using of what is an animate

859
00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:57,530
and inanimate object out of step with an

860
00:33:02,649 --> 00:32:59,570
animus model and it's a historical kind

861
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,659
of deviation and yeah I see no problem

862
00:33:06,909 --> 00:33:03,760
with that whatsoever

863
00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:06,919
yeah and you're you're right the Animus

864
00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:08,539
model really is kind of the default

865
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:10,520
position even if most of us have

866
00:33:14,529 --> 00:33:12,110
forgotten or haven't been taught in

867
00:33:16,539 --> 00:33:14,539
school but to get back to camp are such

868
00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:16,549
another area of enlightenment for me was

869
00:33:21,789 --> 00:33:18,740
the importance of exactly that the camp

870
00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:21,799
fires edge or the utility of fire in our

871
00:33:26,169 --> 00:33:23,870
magical and cultural development you say

872
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:26,179
when we got fire light we didn't just

873
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:29,240
get more time we got different time I

874
00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:31,340
agree I thought that presentation was

875
00:33:35,770 --> 00:33:32,990
great but what's this about how so how

876
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:35,780
do we get different time well it's some

877
00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:38,330
interesting research that it's kind of

878
00:33:41,629 --> 00:33:39,340
looking at when

879
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:41,639
in the archaeological record we can see

880
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,470
we sort of got fire from maybe half a

881
00:33:48,899 --> 00:33:46,480
million years ago right or or other

882
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:48,909
hominins had fire and it was a question

883
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,470
of whether fire extends daylight so that

884
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:55,360
we perform the same tasks now that we

885
00:33:59,399 --> 00:33:57,129
can kind of extend a time into the night

886
00:34:01,769 --> 00:33:59,409
or do we perform different tasks do we

887
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:01,779
think different things and one of the

888
00:34:06,629 --> 00:34:04,840
pieces of research that kind of like how

889
00:34:09,629 --> 00:34:06,639
would you solve that is you try to find

890
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:09,639
cultures that have the closest

891
00:34:14,339 --> 00:34:12,190
relationship to sort of fire and

892
00:34:16,169 --> 00:34:14,349
sunlight that we would have had half a

893
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:16,179
million years ago and so you're sort of

894
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,490
talking about like the Sun people in in

895
00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:20,760
in southern Africa and it turns out that

896
00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:23,109
fundamentally we do different things by

897
00:34:28,319 --> 00:34:25,960
fire light that we experience now versus

898
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:28,329
data and daytime was is the talk is all

899
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:31,780
work and gossip and a little bit kind of

900
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,020
like mythology tiny sliver but as soon

901
00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:37,359
as the fire gets on it's mythology and

902
00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:40,179
songs and ghosts and ancestor tales and

903
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:43,240
and and so on and there's no kind of

904
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:45,490
reason for why it would split that way

905
00:34:51,629 --> 00:34:49,020
now what's interesting about that from a

906
00:34:53,369 --> 00:34:51,639
again like I guess a magical model of

907
00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:53,379
the universe is that you're you're

908
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,700
changing your thoughts and consciousness

909
00:34:59,309 --> 00:34:57,280
in in a ritual environment which is

910
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,319
inevitably going to attract spirit

911
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:01,359
attention that's sort of what happens

912
00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:03,130
it's like watching a scary movie and

913
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:05,380
then experiencing sigh effects in the

914
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:08,170
house like you've kind of tuned your

915
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:10,390
instrument to to play something

916
00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:11,410
different or interact something

917
00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:14,109
different and so we did this and if you

918
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:16,150
look at this sort of rituals in that

919
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:17,740
I've described in say deciphering

920
00:35:23,309 --> 00:35:19,270
ancient Minds which is a classic book in

921
00:35:25,530 --> 00:35:23,319
the area the way early human cultures

922
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:25,540
would use fire in a ritual was to kind

923
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:29,680
of have alternating circles of women who

924
00:35:32,910 --> 00:35:31,089
would kind of clap and keep negative

925
00:35:34,530 --> 00:35:32,920
spirits away and then majority may

926
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,540
although they're not always shamans

927
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,920
trying to bring down the right spirit or

928
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:38,079
ancestors and they would appear from the

929
00:35:42,059 --> 00:35:39,849
gloom at the edge of the campfire and

930
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:42,069
these spirit beings that would then

931
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:43,930
impart kind of wisdom or hunting

932
00:35:47,819 --> 00:35:46,240
technology or so on but also the

933
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,829
negative ones would say the reason you

934
00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:49,599
would have at the same time is trying to

935
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:51,460
call down the correct spirits you have

936
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:53,350
essentially half the purchase

937
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,570
warding off the negative ones because

938
00:35:59,220 --> 00:35:57,040
they would be shooting elf shoot at you

939
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:59,230
and and so on and that kind of seems

940
00:36:04,980 --> 00:36:01,480
really important to me because if you

941
00:36:07,350 --> 00:36:04,990
look at how in the classical world we

942
00:36:08,850 --> 00:36:07,360
model where the story of mankind getting

943
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:08,860
its technology from is and it's

944
00:36:10,830 --> 00:36:10,510
essentially it's more or less Universal

945
00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:10,840
there

946
00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:13,660
the demons taught us metallurgy they

947
00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:15,880
taught us agriculture they taught us the

948
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:17,740
kind of skills that differentiate us

949
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:21,190
from the the rest of the natural world

950
00:36:25,859 --> 00:36:23,980
and I find it interesting that the kind

951
00:36:28,050 --> 00:36:25,869
of archaeological or anthropological

952
00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:28,060
research essentially bears out that that

953
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,790
relationship with the being who teaches

954
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:32,560
us this skills and fire is very

955
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:34,750
long-lived if you think of prometheus or

956
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:36,970
Lucifer or any of these ones that's kind

957
00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:40,330
of like the bad guy for the gods it's

958
00:36:44,490 --> 00:36:43,000
associated with is this idea of learning

959
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:44,500
things at the edge of the campfire where

960
00:36:48,359 --> 00:36:46,210
the sort of light becomes shadow and

961
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,369
whether that I mean some of that is

962
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:50,560
obviously pareidolia which is the

963
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:52,690
phenomenon of kind of seeing forms that

964
00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:53,860
aren't there because of a trick of the

965
00:36:57,390 --> 00:36:56,080
mind but but some of it isn't and that's

966
00:37:00,180 --> 00:36:57,400
really interesting to me that I think

967
00:37:01,950 --> 00:37:00,190
we've kind of preserved memory of that

968
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:01,960
probably very important event down

969
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,700
through half a million years into the

970
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:06,000
story of Prometheus or whoever

971
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:08,950
yeah that's such great stuff and from

972
00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:11,460
one of your slides it says that the

973
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:13,720
anthropologically observable impact of

974
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:16,090
fire is that 80 at least in this one pie

975
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,050
graph 81% of the time at night is used

976
00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:22,480
for stories or quote imagination

977
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:25,300
cultivation as opposed to 6% in the day

978
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:27,430
and it is anybody who even thinks about

979
00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:30,010
it can automatically kind of put this

980
00:37:33,810 --> 00:37:31,420
together that it is different there's

981
00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:33,820
some mechanism some switch that that

982
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:35,140
happens in horror movies have been

983
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:36,670
playing with that forever but it's

984
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:39,220
something real and like the weirdest and

985
00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:40,930
most fun conversations you have at a

986
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:42,940
party opposed to am with the candles low

987
00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:44,950
and everyone's sort of hell yeah I mean

988
00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:46,840
they're they're off their face right but

989
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,580
they're they're kind of coming out of

990
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:51,040
being peak of their face so it doesn't

991
00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:52,510
matter what your own and that's when the

992
00:37:58,109 --> 00:37:55,270
stories get [\h__\h] weird that's what

993
00:37:59,820 --> 00:37:58,119
this is right that's that that's kind of

994
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,830
like a a play out of that same

995
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:01,359
experience the other thing that is

996
00:38:05,609 --> 00:38:03,850
associated with kind of fire and the

997
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,619
spirits teaching us these technologies

998
00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:06,560
is the transmission

999
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:09,230
of it so as they started to emerge as a

1000
00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:11,570
regularly used technology half million

1001
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:13,940
years ago what will happen at the as the

1002
00:38:18,490 --> 00:38:16,310
Sun Goes Down you will have hunters or

1003
00:38:20,830 --> 00:38:18,500
hunting groups from surrounding areas

1004
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:20,840
can it appear out of the gloom to share

1005
00:38:24,490 --> 00:38:22,730
your campfire and obviously you let it's

1006
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:24,500
not that's kind of how hunter-gatherers

1007
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:26,390
work sort of like ships at sea

1008
00:38:30,190 --> 00:38:28,250
you don't just kill them because they

1009
00:38:32,830 --> 00:38:30,200
show up now what that means is you

1010
00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:32,840
suddenly have this vector of stories and

1011
00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:35,960
songs and and when I say song I mean it

1012
00:38:40,890 --> 00:38:37,640
in the magical sense like that's a spell

1013
00:38:44,050 --> 00:38:40,900
right and say you have these ideas

1014
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,060
moving vectoring out like a viral

1015
00:38:48,850 --> 00:38:46,400
outbreak because of the presence of fire

1016
00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:48,860
that's not only giving you that ritual

1017
00:38:53,950 --> 00:38:51,380
space to think these innovative ideas

1018
00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:53,960
but also the experience the spirit world

1019
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:56,390
and then share that amongst human

1020
00:39:00,940 --> 00:38:58,130
cultures and that's the other part like

1021
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:00,950
Prometheus steals the fire to share it

1022
00:39:04,540 --> 00:39:03,650
this is I mean this doesn't explain

1023
00:39:07,540 --> 00:39:04,550
anything but whether it's a

1024
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:07,550
quote-unquote biological memory or as I

1025
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:08,870
prefer to think about it and this is

1026
00:39:13,390 --> 00:39:11,450
very much with starship is about whether

1027
00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:13,400
the memory of that event has been

1028
00:39:17,290 --> 00:39:15,020
retained through the human journey since

1029
00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:17,300
then it strikes me as kind of quite

1030
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:18,680
important because it's another one of

1031
00:39:25,150 --> 00:39:21,530
those pieces you can reposition to say

1032
00:39:27,550 --> 00:39:25,160
well okay if that's where we first kind

1033
00:39:29,350 --> 00:39:27,560
of got the big jump in quote-unquote

1034
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:29,360
technology I prefer the word complexity

1035
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,650
is for reasons if you watch the

1036
00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:32,240
presentation you'll understand okay

1037
00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:34,580
we've got to there what does that mean

1038
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:37,460
about the innovation opportunities we

1039
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:40,250
have today given ment most of the public

1040
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:42,200
ones crucially most of the kind of like

1041
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:44,930
public innovation projects are run by

1042
00:39:49,090 --> 00:39:46,730
people who assert that these things

1043
00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:49,100
don't exist and we kind of come back to

1044
00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:51,500
the witless tree we think what happens

1045
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:52,760
if we use the technology we have today

1046
00:39:57,940 --> 00:39:55,250
and kind of wake up to the idea that

1047
00:40:01,870 --> 00:39:57,950
these things do exist you know where

1048
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:01,880
does that go next yes such an eye-opener

1049
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:04,130
man and switching gears a little bit

1050
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:06,410
when we're looking at human history and

1051
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,570
going back to the origins we once did a

1052
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:10,880
show that of course hit on the pig chimp

1053
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,850
blending hypothesis as well as the Mimi

1054
00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:16,400
virus and directed panspermia but it

1055
00:40:19,930 --> 00:40:18,230
seems like you've kind of advanced your

1056
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:19,940
thinking in this area a bit and found

1057
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:21,890
some new data in the meantime and tossed

1058
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:23,810
a pinch of McKenna's stoned ape theory

1059
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:26,570
into the recipe update us a bit on your

1060
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,490
thoughts here and how fungus and

1061
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:31,040
retroviruses could be a more nuanced

1062
00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:32,890
view of the ancient aliens idea I

1063
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:35,270
wouldn't say I've gone away from the

1064
00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:37,310
Damini virus idea that's something that

1065
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:39,880
happened several billion years ago and

1066
00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:42,350
I'm still an interventionist like

1067
00:40:47,860 --> 00:40:45,260
there's no way to explain the emergence

1068
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:47,870
of life on earth without directed

1069
00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:50,570
panspermia and at a minimum right mm-hmm

1070
00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:52,460
adding the same thing with the PGM

1071
00:40:56,290 --> 00:40:54,140
hypothesis you're now talking kind of

1072
00:40:59,260 --> 00:40:56,300
like 1 million year plus whereas the

1073
00:41:01,600 --> 00:40:59,270
sort of fire and human technological

1074
00:41:03,580 --> 00:41:01,610
journey is still within the realms of

1075
00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:03,590
what we can see archaeologically I still

1076
00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:05,600
maintain and did in the presentation as

1077
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:07,580
well that the emergence of fully modern

1078
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,130
humans doesn't make sense it's not the

1079
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,040
kind of t-shirt you see across you know

1080
00:41:17,230 --> 00:41:15,680
fad beauty bellies at a skeptics

1081
00:41:20,310 --> 00:41:17,240
conference of this sort of ascent of man

1082
00:41:23,770 --> 00:41:20,320
that that is literally made-up right

1083
00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:23,780
that is just like playing Lego in a

1084
00:41:29,110 --> 00:41:26,600
museum so the picture my brother says I

1085
00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:29,120
still think stands and as does the idea

1086
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:32,660
I suspect of a very large and complex

1087
00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:35,060
virus several billion years ago kind of

1088
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:38,150
landing on earth and unpacking so if

1089
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:41,030
you're talking about and the reason I

1090
00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:42,590
think that is this one that could be

1091
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,270
simply an alien technology also in an

1092
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:45,440
animus model remember what I was saying

1093
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:46,820
about the outpost of the spirit world

1094
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,710
this is something I got from McKenna

1095
00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:50,960
right so his first few one at first for

1096
00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:53,180
you but before he kind of moved off this

1097
00:41:57,730 --> 00:41:56,030
idea when he says that the mushroom is

1098
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:57,740
an extraterrestrial he says it's a being

1099
00:42:03,460 --> 00:42:01,040
that is is so old that only 1% of it

1100
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:03,470
exists in the physical I mean the 99% of

1101
00:42:08,350 --> 00:42:06,410
it exists in that kind of stone space

1102
00:42:11,590 --> 00:42:08,360
you get into and when you're in there

1103
00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:11,600
that is how it communicates with itself

1104
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:13,430
and other beings that it encounters

1105
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:15,650
across the galaxy like it is he means he

1106
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:17,570
literally meant it was an alien that

1107
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:20,030
would seed itself on planets for the

1108
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:22,550
purpose of communicating and you are

1109
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,290
then an instant communication with it

1110
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:26,000
across it like it's a [\h__\h] I love it

1111
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:27,770
it's such a cool idea right yeah yeah

1112
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:29,570
now what's interesting about that is

1113
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:32,130
because you know I'm a permaculture nerd

1114
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:35,190
and if you look at the ideas behind how

1115
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:37,410
soil first emerged because to get earth

1116
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:39,840
you could spit virus at a rock and

1117
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:40,920
nothing would happen

1118
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,270
so how soul emerged is is a guess like

1119
00:42:49,940 --> 00:42:47,520
people assume there's some like bacteria

1120
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:49,950
mutated to become some sort of micro

1121
00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:51,240
riser logarithm so in the in the

1122
00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:53,100
mushroom family because you need both of

1123
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:54,390
those things and a whole bunch of other

1124
00:43:00,440 --> 00:42:56,100
stuff to get soil structure to actually

1125
00:43:02,810 --> 00:43:00,450
get plants now that it is it's basically

1126
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,820
impossible that a bacteria can mutate

1127
00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:04,560
into essentially a mushroom like it

1128
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:07,320
doesn't work and so when you look at the

1129
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,060
origins of soil formation on earth I

1130
00:43:12,860 --> 00:43:10,560
keep coming back to a Terence Mckenna

1131
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,870
said which is no I I assert that the

1132
00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:14,720
psilocybin is literally an alien and

1133
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:18,870
mushroom spores can survive in space so

1134
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:21,540
I guess if I wanted to update panspermia

1135
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:22,920
the only thing I would kind of say to

1136
00:43:28,070 --> 00:43:25,770
people is I think I'm fairly confident

1137
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:28,080
that the emergence of life on Earth is

1138
00:43:33,830 --> 00:43:31,650
an alien event right so a virus that

1139
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:33,840
doesn't mean that we haven't had dozens

1140
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:37,230
of different kind of panspermia impact I

1141
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:39,150
mean why would it just be one like

1142
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:40,860
that's kind of a holdover from a sort of

1143
00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:43,170
very biblical idea of creation why why

1144
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:45,030
is it why is it not happen a thousand

1145
00:43:47,810 --> 00:43:46,710
times I mean there's this kind of joke

1146
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:47,820
going around and I don't think it is

1147
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:49,740
that much of a joke but the octopus

1148
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:51,180
doesn't resemble anything really on

1149
00:43:57,110 --> 00:43:54,600
earth as well and in 2015 no 2014 there

1150
00:43:59,240 --> 00:43:57,120
was he's kind of working the octopus

1151
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:59,250
must be an alien ha ha ha kind of funny

1152
00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:01,380
I [\h__\h] love science ideas but he go

1153
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,230
oh hang on why not like again the model

1154
00:44:07,850 --> 00:44:06,660
right predicts that the mushroom could

1155
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:07,860
have come from space and then we get

1156
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:11,430
spores life probably did in a sort of

1157
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,760
super virus form so why is it weird to

1158
00:44:20,180 --> 00:44:16,380
say the octopus cake because it is weird

1159
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:20,190
like it's a [\h__\h] yeah how do we know

1160
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,440
and this is again McKenna was kind of

1161
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:24,240
into this idea it's like what if a lot

1162
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:26,220
of stuff gets washed through space and

1163
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,290
some of it lands here and I see no

1164
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:30,480
problem with that as a as a model now

1165
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:32,370
where it gets going back to the Animus

1166
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:33,720
model and kind of asserting

1167
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:35,460
intentionality especially for things

1168
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:40,410
that are only 1% physical 99% none is 4

1169
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:43,410
percent of the human DNA is as a result

1170
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:45,210
of retroviral transfer now what

1171
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:47,850
retroviruses is as opposed to a normal

1172
00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:50,940
virus is that it swaps out this sort of

1173
00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:54,390
code for another its host organism with

1174
00:44:59,780 --> 00:44:56,820
its own so we have we're literally

1175
00:45:01,820 --> 00:44:59,790
provably built of bits of virus that

1176
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:01,830
have clearly changed something to do

1177
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:03,510
with us and then we start to come back

1178
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:05,160
to that pink chimp thing and go okay so

1179
00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:07,170
all this stuff is happening and we now

1180
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:08,870
are operating in a model that asserts

1181
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,180
that can assert intentionality for for

1182
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,460
these processes is it time to start

1183
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:16,380
having that discussion like and I think

1184
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:18,290
it is I mean that's where I think the

1185
00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:21,510
much of the ancient alien era comes from

1186
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:23,190
is again the world.we dysfunction that

1187
00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:24,780
that comes at it which is mostly

1188
00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:27,870
materialist but if you kind of jump to

1189
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:30,990
the parallel model of of an animist or a

1190
00:45:36,380 --> 00:45:34,500
kind of bad idealist you can start to

1191
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:36,390
look at these things and go well what

1192
00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:39,540
science sees there is sort of random

1193
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:41,550
behavior that you know one in one

1194
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:43,500
trillion chance happen to do this

1195
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,540
amazing thing that's an insufficient

1196
00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:47,940
explanation and this is the opportunity

1197
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:52,320
to sort of remodel and how we see the

1198
00:45:56,020 --> 00:45:54,570
story of life in the universe but also

1199
00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:56,030
the emergence of humans on this planet

1200
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:58,950
yeah and you're so right that there's

1201
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:01,140
this tendency to think that it happened

1202
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:02,850
once there's this one thing but why

1203
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:03,930
couldn't it have happened a bunch of

1204
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:06,330
times and also as you note another log

1205
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:08,730
on the fires mushrooms thrive on

1206
00:46:14,330 --> 00:46:11,450
disaster and we are a disaster species

1207
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,340
yeah so the psilocybin mushroom in

1208
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:16,640
particular because it's saprophytic will

1209
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:20,430
it literally colonized the earth at the

1210
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,170
same time humans did because we cut

1211
00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:24,480
stuff down and we poop and we sort of

1212
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:27,600
alter the the ratio between grasslands

1213
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,900
and forests because grasslands attract

1214
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:32,880
the animals that we eat and so we were

1215
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:35,940
just I mean if you played Starcraft we

1216
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:38,130
were the creep that allowed psilocybin

1217
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:39,570
to conquer the earth and this is where

1218
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:41,310
everyone laughs at McKenna but he's like

1219
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:43,410
no but seriously so we have this being

1220
00:46:49,610 --> 00:46:46,740
has told him it's an alien that is built

1221
00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:49,620
to thrive in in areas of human

1222
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:52,320
disturbance that tells us that it does

1223
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,920
this for contact with us and not just us

1224
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:57,480
it's done based across thousands of

1225
00:46:59,960 --> 00:46:58,330
planets any

1226
00:47:02,190 --> 00:46:59,970
in that kind of immediate

1227
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:02,200
hyperdimensional contact with itself and

1228
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:03,790
other beings and it's just kind of along

1229
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:06,730
for the ride and all the experience and

1230
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:10,620
you go well that's like sure you know

1231
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:15,240
there's nothing that is wrong from a

1232
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:17,110
observable biological science

1233
00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:19,150
perspective the bit that people will

1234
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:20,860
quibble with and it works in the model

1235
00:47:26,070 --> 00:47:22,510
is whether it is an intentional being

1236
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:26,080
and you know most of the kind of

1237
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:28,900
shamanic cultures that would use these

1238
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:30,790
things considered it exactly that same

1239
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:32,290
thing with ayahuasca they considered it

1240
00:47:41,820 --> 00:47:35,590
a spirit so at what point do we take it

1241
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:41,830
at its word yeah it is a complex strange

1242
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:44,170
history and we long for simple answers

1243
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:46,690
men but to hop back to magic you

1244
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:49,030
mentioned that the data shows that

1245
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:51,580
magical phenomenon tend to manifest in

1246
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:53,380
culture is more open to them and that

1247
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,030
magical experiences are made less

1248
00:48:00,810 --> 00:47:58,000
possible by materialist cultural filters

1249
00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:00,820
I definitely recognize that and as I

1250
00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:02,260
said in the intro if you're looking for

1251
00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:04,300
a conspiratorial worldview you might

1252
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:05,860
find it there because you point out and

1253
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:07,810
you're writing that as much as the

1254
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:10,210
Vatican did to destroy the magical

1255
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:12,430
worldview with its brand of religion the

1256
00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:15,070
Big Bang Theory was also first cooked up

1257
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:16,900
by a Catholic priest so really both

1258
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:19,810
sides of the magic destroying coin come

1259
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:21,730
from the same mint is this a red flag to

1260
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:23,470
you or am i going off the rails

1261
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:28,150
so Catholicism bans magic rather than

1262
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:31,090
says it doesn't exist right so that's

1263
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:33,310
kind of its thing I'm not with the

1264
00:48:37,530 --> 00:48:35,470
politics of the church fathers and

1265
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:37,540
whatever at the time with the big bang

1266
00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:40,770
what happened there was that was kind of

1267
00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:43,870
Catholicism or religions rearguard move

1268
00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:46,870
against it's kind of like the

1269
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,180
materialist Victorian version of science

1270
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,520
because it needed to reinsert itself or

1271
00:48:56,070 --> 00:48:53,200
it was [\h__\h] basically they need even

1272
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:56,080
reinsert herself back in the kind of

1273
00:49:00,420 --> 00:48:57,490
worldview because I don't think

1274
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:00,430
Catholicism Catholicism doesn't suppress

1275
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,810
magic because of the example of a a

1276
00:49:08,430 --> 00:49:06,160
culture that's more open to magic so it

1277
00:49:11,069 --> 00:49:08,440
has more extreme magical and UFO events

1278
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:11,079
is somewhere like Mexico or Brazil but

1279
00:49:15,959 --> 00:49:14,559
very Catholic places so Catholicism bans

1280
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:15,969
it rather than says it doesn't exist

1281
00:49:19,259 --> 00:49:17,529
it's just that when we moved to

1282
00:49:21,329 --> 00:49:19,269
materialist cultures like Northwest

1283
00:49:23,759 --> 00:49:21,339
Europe or you know the North American

1284
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,769
continent or so on then there is

1285
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:25,359
something about there's a Field of

1286
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,950
Dreams thing going on with our heads

1287
00:49:30,779 --> 00:49:29,200
right which if you live in a magical

1288
00:49:33,299 --> 00:49:30,789
universe more magical things will happen

1289
00:49:34,979 --> 00:49:33,309
if you don't they won't so it's unlikely

1290
00:49:38,699 --> 00:49:34,989
Richard Dawkins would be abducted by

1291
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:38,709
aliens and that's the that's the benefit

1292
00:49:42,209 --> 00:49:40,209
of kind of like really doubling down on

1293
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:42,219
this model it is seriously Field of

1294
00:49:46,229 --> 00:49:44,529
Dreams or you build your own spaceport

1295
00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:46,239
science and it's interesting the

1296
00:49:50,339 --> 00:49:49,150
conspiratorial angle here is in the 20th

1297
00:49:51,959 --> 00:49:50,349
century particularly immediately

1298
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:51,969
following World War two where the the

1299
00:49:56,759 --> 00:49:54,910
public version of science is still

1300
00:49:58,349 --> 00:49:56,769
doubling down on this materialist thing

1301
00:49:59,849 --> 00:49:58,359
even though it's just not been correct

1302
00:50:02,579 --> 00:49:59,859
since the 30s from a physics perspective

1303
00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:02,589
and from a philosophical perspective not

1304
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:04,660
since the 70s they say they know it's

1305
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:07,599
not correct right but you you kind of

1306
00:50:14,999 --> 00:50:10,380
double down on it well simultaneously

1307
00:50:17,939 --> 00:50:15,009
you know the alphabet agencies employing

1308
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:17,949
which is and kind of working with you

1309
00:50:22,650 --> 00:50:20,650
know radiata mind control and psilocybin

1310
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:22,660
and all this so it's they essentially

1311
00:50:27,749 --> 00:50:26,079
had like an evil Hogwarts going on at

1312
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:27,759
the same time that they're saying all of

1313
00:50:31,949 --> 00:50:30,130
this is fake and that's the

1314
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:31,959
conspiratorial angle the reason and

1315
00:50:37,049 --> 00:50:34,630
probably by now I think they know that

1316
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:37,059
the field of dreams method is in play

1317
00:50:42,449 --> 00:50:40,170
and I frankly think they're using that

1318
00:50:46,019 --> 00:50:42,459
awareness it in a highly manipulative

1319
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:46,029
sense as a kind of mass mind control

1320
00:50:50,489 --> 00:50:47,529
project that I think they're sort of

1321
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:50,499
they have been experimentally working

1322
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:51,910
out if you can make people think this

1323
00:50:54,539 --> 00:50:53,410
will be afraid of this and so on and

1324
00:50:56,279 --> 00:50:54,549
that is pure magic

1325
00:50:58,469 --> 00:50:56,289
and that's come from the evil Hogwarts

1326
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,479
but at the same time public science you

1327
00:51:02,279 --> 00:50:59,920
get former defense contractors in the

1328
00:51:04,109 --> 00:51:02,289
bowtie playing a scientist on television

1329
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:04,119
and and telling you this stuff doesn't

1330
00:51:08,009 --> 00:51:05,650
exist and that's the conspiratorial

1331
00:51:09,779 --> 00:51:08,019
angle here they they [\h__\h] know they

1332
00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:09,789
know it works because they've spent

1333
00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:11,829
millions and millions and millions of it

1334
00:51:16,019 --> 00:51:14,380
on it over 60 years and the public

1335
00:51:19,049 --> 00:51:16,029
version isn't and that's kind of make

1336
00:51:20,459 --> 00:51:19,059
they're taking all the magic and and

1337
00:51:22,259 --> 00:51:20,469
making sure that the kind of Western

1338
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:22,269
world has a view that doesn't allow it

1339
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:24,130
to happen except for the bits that they

1340
00:51:27,319 --> 00:51:24,900
want it to

1341
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:27,329
well yeah I mean that's true but can I

1342
00:51:31,489 --> 00:51:29,220
not go back further though cuz we talked

1343
00:51:33,259 --> 00:51:31,499
a lot about the occult II black projects

1344
00:51:35,509 --> 00:51:33,269
of the last few decades but what was the

1345
00:51:37,999 --> 00:51:35,519
deep state of the Renaissance era doing

1346
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:38,009
or back in the time when you know when

1347
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:40,740
magic is being banned well so that was

1348
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,450
banned rather than suppressed that's

1349
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:44,640
what it means so Catholicism or like

1350
00:51:51,049 --> 00:51:47,730
vatican doctrine will assert that demons

1351
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:51,059
exist and angels exist and you can do

1352
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:53,220
things like engage with this stuff it's

1353
00:51:56,839 --> 00:51:54,900
just that you shouldn't so it's

1354
00:51:59,900 --> 00:51:56,849
different to saying it doesn't exist if

1355
00:52:01,489 --> 00:51:59,910
anything it kind of it makes the field

1356
00:52:03,769 --> 00:52:01,499
of dreams bigger rather than smaller

1357
00:52:07,579 --> 00:52:03,779
because you ban something and it kind of

1358
00:52:10,339 --> 00:52:07,589
fetishizes it so the it wasn't a it

1359
00:52:11,779 --> 00:52:10,349
wasn't a hit on whether or not magic

1360
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:11,789
existed when you're talking about the

1361
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,740
hermetic underground that so if emerged

1362
00:52:17,269 --> 00:52:15,599
out of the Renaissance and kind of

1363
00:52:20,839 --> 00:52:17,279
blended into the English Renaissance and

1364
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:20,849
all that kind of weird mix of you know

1365
00:52:24,859 --> 00:52:23,099
the the people behind Shakespeare in the

1366
00:52:28,249 --> 00:52:24,869
John Dee stuff and the kind of thing

1367
00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:28,259
that's trying to essentially liberalize

1368
00:52:31,279 --> 00:52:30,150
Europe by providing free education and

1369
00:52:33,140 --> 00:52:31,289
all these very high mattock and

1370
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:33,150
spiritual ideas they were doing that as

1371
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,029
an underground for political reasons

1372
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:37,920
against the Vatican and the Holy Roman

1373
00:52:41,059 --> 00:52:39,059
Emperor and all these people who didn't

1374
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:41,069
want things like printing presses and

1375
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:44,720
free education or any challenges to the

1376
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:47,130
the kind of people they put on the throw

1377
00:52:52,999 --> 00:52:49,700
in to cross Europe that was a political

1378
00:52:55,819 --> 00:52:53,009
up rather than a magical on both sides

1379
00:52:58,099 --> 00:52:55,829
of that fight asserted the reality of

1380
00:52:59,539 --> 00:52:58,109
the spiritual world so they weren't

1381
00:53:01,400 --> 00:52:59,549
fighting over whether it was true or not

1382
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:01,410
they were just Game of Thrones in that's

1383
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,609
what went on there doesn't make sense

1384
00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:07,680
it's so tough for me to get in the

1385
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:11,099
context of that day you know so it is

1386
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:13,140
what I interpret as the you know whether

1387
00:53:17,059 --> 00:53:14,400
it's banning or suppression

1388
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:17,069
it's that taboo nature of these

1389
00:53:21,499 --> 00:53:19,410
empowering tools that drives me to want

1390
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,509
to engage in them but my progression has

1391
00:53:25,819 --> 00:53:23,460
been slow because you often say that

1392
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:25,829
magic will ruin your life there are

1393
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:27,930
always you know a ton of warning signs

1394
00:53:31,999 --> 00:53:29,849
associated with the two and I wish I had

1395
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:32,009
explored this more when I was 18 living

1396
00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:33,930
in my parents basement with very little

1397
00:53:38,140 --> 00:53:36,420
to risk but now that I enjoy nearly all

1398
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:38,150
aspects of life and I find my

1399
00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:40,250
I'll walk into the crossroads offering

1400
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:42,230
in hand thinking you know what do I

1401
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,510
really even ask for more the same please

1402
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:46,880
at what risk you know the risk of losing

1403
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:49,910
at all well unfortunately that's in play

1404
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:51,529
but here's the thing most of the

1405
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:54,890
discussion has been about the universe

1406
00:54:01,059 --> 00:53:58,480
being magical right so as I view it

1407
00:54:02,980 --> 00:54:01,069
there are practicing magicians and

1408
00:54:04,809 --> 00:54:02,990
non-practicing magicians it's kind of

1409
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:04,819
like the financial system or there the

1410
00:54:09,849 --> 00:54:08,000
monetary system not taking a position is

1411
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:09,859
still taking a position because you

1412
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,260
can't but operate within it right

1413
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:14,000
there's no like you can't get away from

1414
00:54:16,510 --> 00:54:15,470
it yeah people who release into this guy

1415
00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:16,520
know I'm not that interested in magic

1416
00:54:21,130 --> 00:54:18,380
well I'm lucky you live in a magical

1417
00:54:22,809 --> 00:54:21,140
universe now what that mean not everyone

1418
00:54:24,099 --> 00:54:22,819
just because sharks exist it doesn't

1419
00:54:27,069 --> 00:54:24,109
mean everyone should become a marine

1420
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:27,079
biologist but anyone can still get eaten

1421
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:31,369
by a shark so if you look at how magic

1422
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:33,770
magic can be a very unreliable tool for

1423
00:54:37,269 --> 00:54:35,240
kind of getting the things you want and

1424
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,279
it is because that's what happens that

1425
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,440
if you look at it across the the

1426
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:41,839
spectrum of spirit encounters from UFOs

1427
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:43,970
and fairies and whatever at one end all

1428
00:54:48,010 --> 00:54:46,220
the way down to kind of like oh I am

1429
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,020
this happens it still happens to me like

1430
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,480
when when your sigil results show up and

1431
00:54:54,430 --> 00:54:51,920
they show up in the most [\h__\h] dickish

1432
00:54:57,849 --> 00:54:54,440
way possible okay and you go ah rookie

1433
00:55:01,210 --> 00:54:57,859
mistake every time that's just the

1434
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:01,220
nature of our uneasy interaction with

1435
00:55:05,799 --> 00:55:03,770
the spirit world now as a result yes I

1436
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:05,809
put it out there and go look I can't

1437
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:07,670
promise that that won't happen that's

1438
00:55:11,950 --> 00:55:09,950
the kind of eaten by the shark moment

1439
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:11,960
but it's also the marine biologist eaten

1440
00:55:16,329 --> 00:55:13,609
by the shark moment just because the

1441
00:55:18,730 --> 00:55:16,339
universe is magical doesn't mean you

1442
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:18,740
need to become a magician in the kind of

1443
00:55:21,339 --> 00:55:19,970
full fledge I'm gonna go out there and

1444
00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:21,349
do stuff but let's wind the clock back

1445
00:55:26,289 --> 00:55:24,140
100 years or 100 and even 200 years and

1446
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,299
in some places that's not wind it back

1447
00:55:29,799 --> 00:55:28,400
at all but I'm gonna give you a family

1448
00:55:31,029 --> 00:55:29,809
example and I'm sure because you have a

1449
00:55:34,269 --> 00:55:31,039
Catholic family background it will be

1450
00:55:36,370 --> 00:55:34,279
similar my great-grandmother knew how to

1451
00:55:39,099 --> 00:55:36,380
get rid of ghosts my Irish Catholic

1452
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:39,109
great-grandmother everyone did and said

1453
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:41,569
it was she wasn't like the Warrens going

1454
00:55:45,730 --> 00:55:43,130
out there fighting demons across the

1455
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:45,740
world right she if there was a spirit

1456
00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:47,510
somewhere she knew the prayer or she

1457
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:50,440
knew you'd use this salt or this herb or

1458
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:52,750
thing with kind of like the evil eye or

1459
00:55:56,490 --> 00:55:54,190
would have you with with Italian

1460
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:56,500
Catholics these people aren't gandalf

1461
00:56:01,200 --> 00:55:58,690
but everyone had those skills like kind

1462
00:56:02,849 --> 00:56:01,210
of knowing how to drive that you would

1463
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:02,859
use when you needed them because the

1464
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:05,170
universe is magical and that's kind of

1465
00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:06,609
where and funnily enough the kind of

1466
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:08,020
enchantments that are in pieces of eight

1467
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:09,849
some of them are there to kind of like

1468
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:11,740
just put this away in case you need it

1469
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:14,680
because that's how that was the response

1470
00:56:19,319 --> 00:56:16,810
the kind of natural cultural response to

1471
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:19,329
their frankly better awareness that they

1472
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:21,220
were living in a magical universe you

1473
00:56:24,329 --> 00:56:22,810
don't have to be the marine biologist

1474
00:56:25,859 --> 00:56:24,339
but i do think if people who are

1475
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:25,869
listening to this who are on board with

1476
00:56:30,809 --> 00:56:28,930
the idea of whatever word they want to

1477
00:56:32,339 --> 00:56:30,819
describe it for right the sort of

1478
00:56:32,849 --> 00:56:32,349
general stuff that's spoken around in

1479
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:32,859
THC

1480
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:35,250
I frankly do think you need to know

1481
00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:37,270
something to clear a spirit from your

1482
00:56:42,270 --> 00:56:40,150
house like it can be herbs it can be a

1483
00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:42,280
prayer I think you need to know that I

1484
00:56:46,579 --> 00:56:43,960
think you need to know it kind of like

1485
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:46,589
ooh that like walking over one's grave

1486
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:49,150
kind of icky evil eye thing and I think

1487
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:50,500
you need to know how to clear that these

1488
00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:51,849
are just things that every human should

1489
00:56:56,460 --> 00:56:54,190
do it's different to like all right well

1490
00:56:59,550 --> 00:56:56,470
I'm gonna like have a pact with Astaroth

1491
00:57:01,800 --> 00:56:59,560
and that's the kind of level that is a

1492
00:57:03,329 --> 00:57:01,810
niche within a niche that you're either

1493
00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:03,339
into or not and those are the people

1494
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,560
when you're at that end that's when like

1495
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,079
look this could this could comically

1496
00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:10,000
blow up in your face like something out

1497
00:57:14,339 --> 00:57:12,700
of Discworld and people who are into it

1498
00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:14,349
just kind of take that risk

1499
00:57:18,329 --> 00:57:16,180
but everyone else you can still get

1500
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:18,339
eaten by the shock so I'm right no you

1501
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:20,200
should know this stuff so base you know

1502
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:22,540
yeah basically risky as it is not

1503
00:57:27,059 --> 00:57:25,030
engaging with it is no guarantee that it

1504
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:27,069
can't hurt you there's no not I watched

1505
00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:28,690
the conjuring too last night and I'm

1506
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:31,000
like an Enfield poltergeist nerd at the

1507
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:32,040
best of times

1508
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,890
eleven-year-old Janet I mean she got

1509
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:38,700
some pretty intense stuff out of

1510
00:57:42,990 --> 00:57:41,230
unsuccessful like a Ouija board results

1511
00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:43,000
and and no one else in that family who

1512
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,160
got the encounter with it or the

1513
00:57:49,530 --> 00:57:47,680
experience of her mistake had anything

1514
00:57:51,329 --> 00:57:49,540
to do with it like that's that's the

1515
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:51,339
shark attack right that's an extreme one

1516
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:53,020
that's like if I can Discovery Channel

1517
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:55,089
Mega Shark it's usually just like oh

1518
00:57:59,460 --> 00:57:57,010
this this house I'm looking at feels a

1519
00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:59,470
bit weird I'll do some clearing on it or

1520
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:00,750
what-have-you that's

1521
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:02,130
kind of more basically and stuff but

1522
00:58:06,830 --> 00:58:03,630
yeah it's like the financial system if

1523
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,840
the universe is magical you're stuck how

1524
00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:08,400
do you get out of it you don't have to

1525
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:11,430
become a magician but that's just kind

1526
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:13,890
of it it's it's yeah yeah it's just a

1527
00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:15,510
function of reality like dealing with

1528
00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:17,660
weather exactly exactly

1529
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:20,190
Gordon another amazing time with you to

1530
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:23,370
try to reign this the steed in you do

1531
00:58:27,830 --> 00:58:26,010
have Kaos protocols starships and now

1532
00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:27,840
Pieces of Eight and you also talk about

1533
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:31,590
an unridable fourth book just to put a

1534
00:58:36,110 --> 00:58:33,450
capstone on this pyramid can you remind

1535
00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:36,120
the people about the synergy between the

1536
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:38,430
three books and you know the method to

1537
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:40,410
the madness and give us any more insight

1538
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:44,280
into this unraidable fourth book sure so

1539
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:47,250
starships is a book of history written

1540
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:50,700
by a practicing magician the Kaos

1541
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:53,700
protocols is a kind of book of life

1542
00:58:57,460 --> 00:58:55,770
hacks for anyone who has a spiritual

1543
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,470
sensibility written by a chaos magician

1544
00:59:02,240 --> 00:58:59,760
people thought that was my chaos magic

1545
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:02,250
book Pieces of Eight is my chaos magic

1546
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:03,920
book that's what it is it's kind of

1547
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,660
revisiting and kind of reelect refining

1548
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:08,720
some of the core concepts of chaos magic

1549
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:11,310
what is interesting and I noticed it

1550
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:13,110
didn't realize at the time because what

1551
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:14,610
I self-published the last one but the

1552
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:15,930
first one is covered in print and the

1553
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:18,450
second one is Llewellyn and the first

1554
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:20,330
two are written kind of simultaneously

1555
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:22,740
because I you know eyes bigger than my

1556
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:24,090
stomach and I thought I could do that

1557
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:27,330
and I don't recommend it but hmm there

1558
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,420
are the kind of as an example the

1559
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:32,220
presence of the Headless right in the

1560
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:34,170
chaos protocols the context of headless

1561
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:37,140
Ness and and what that means kind of

1562
00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:38,610
spiritually or from the spirit world

1563
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:40,760
perspective is found in starships and

1564
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:43,650
what you do after the Headless right

1565
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:46,110
from a spirit engagement is sort of

1566
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:47,970
found in Pieces of Eight and the reason

1567
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:50,370
for that is that it would be a sort of

1568
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:53,310
550 thousand word meandering book of

1569
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:55,020
like okay so you do this one and here's

1570
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:56,490
why and one hundred page lady do the

1571
01:00:01,160 --> 00:59:58,650
next one and it's a mess like that's not

1572
01:00:02,990 --> 01:00:01,170
really how books are constructed more

1573
01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:03,000
interestingly all those and there are

1574
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:05,460
some of them of Easter eggs but there

1575
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:08,410
are concepts the context for which

1576
01:00:13,799 --> 01:00:11,170
in history is found in starships and and

1577
01:00:16,109 --> 01:00:13,809
in the modern day is found in chaos

1578
01:00:18,329 --> 01:00:16,119
protocols and they're kind of thinking

1579
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:18,339
behind it as in Pieces of Eight and and

1580
01:00:21,930 --> 01:00:19,450
if you look at the practical

1581
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:21,940
enchantments that are available in Karis

1582
01:00:25,289 --> 01:00:23,230
protocols and pieces of eight they kind

1583
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:25,299
of work together into a coherent system

1584
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:28,450
which would be the sort of fool fourth

1585
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:30,609
book grimoire but you're dealing with

1586
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:32,710
when you're dealing with magic in

1587
01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:37,210
particular it's so the metaphor I use is

1588
01:00:42,749 --> 01:00:39,880
it's kind of like the reason symbolism

1589
01:00:44,849 --> 01:00:42,759
is used in magic or magic is contained

1590
01:00:47,279 --> 01:00:44,859
within symbols is it sort of like taking

1591
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:47,289
a object of a shipwreck

1592
01:00:53,549 --> 01:00:50,049
and bringing it to the surface and once

1593
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:53,559
it hits the air it oxidizes and rusts

1594
01:00:57,779 --> 01:00:55,150
and falls apart whereas underneath the

1595
01:00:59,279 --> 01:00:57,789
water it's still coherent and when

1596
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,289
you're dealing with this is the reason

1597
01:01:04,620 --> 01:01:01,359
why magical and spiritual information I

1598
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:04,630
think is transmitted via symbolism

1599
01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:05,920
because if you actually just try to

1600
01:01:09,690 --> 01:01:07,660
explain it it's like explaining a joke

1601
01:01:12,210 --> 01:01:09,700
once you explain the joke the funny is

1602
01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:12,220
gone and once you explained this is how

1603
01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:14,740
this works it doesn't work anymore and

1604
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:17,380
so the unwritten fourth book is all

1605
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:20,559
those bits that you you can't explain or

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01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:23,230
you break them and they're to do with

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:25,450
the sort of practice of of magic you'll

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01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:27,970
get it if you read all three your your

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01:01:32,339 --> 01:01:30,460
brain will start to kind of like draw

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01:01:33,870 --> 01:01:32,349
lines in between different parts of

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01:01:36,029 --> 01:01:33,880
different ones and you'll start to see

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01:01:39,150 --> 01:01:36,039
this fourth book and you will get the

1613
01:01:40,829 --> 01:01:39,160
idea of why that couldn't be that book

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01:01:43,019 --> 01:01:40,839
can't kind of really be brought down

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01:01:44,279 --> 01:01:43,029
into the physical in any sense by the

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01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:44,289
way they're all standalone it's not a

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01:01:48,059 --> 01:01:46,569
trilogy as well so yeah you may resonate

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01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:48,069
with one or the other it's just that the

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01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:49,690
kind of bonus prize is the sort of

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:52,680
fourth book they kind of yeah

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01:01:59,299 --> 01:01:55,690
Gordon's Chaos magic grimoire can't be

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01:02:01,980 --> 01:01:59,309
written and it's this fourth book boom

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01:02:02,759 --> 01:02:01,990
hell yeah I like that I think we did it

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01:02:05,279 --> 01:02:02,769
man

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01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:05,289
of course rune soup calm is your

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01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:05,950
homeland

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01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:08,440
Gordon underscore white on Twitter any

1628
01:02:13,890 --> 01:02:10,480
last parting words pal

1629
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:13,900
no again it's just you know good to chat

1630
01:02:19,259 --> 01:02:15,910
this is always uh this is always the fun

1631
01:02:21,210 --> 01:02:19,269
show hahaha oh yeah I love it

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01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:21,220
you're the man take care of yourself out

1633
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:21,970
there you

1634
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:24,910
you as well there it is guys number six

1635
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:27,490
for Gordon white appearances on THC

1636
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:29,950
that's 12 hours but I always do have a

1637
01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:30,640
blast

1638
01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:32,500
he's been here more than any other guest

1639
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:34,780
I think crow would have to be in second

1640
01:02:38,490 --> 01:02:37,450
place with around four appearances and I

1641
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:38,500
really liked this one

1642
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:40,690
I pulled stuff from several different

1643
01:02:44,310 --> 01:02:42,250
sources and we really just did a

1644
01:02:47,070 --> 01:02:44,320
grab-bag of the things that Gordon's

1645
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:47,080
been churning out lately I am in awe the

1646
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:49,510
guys put out three books in one year I

1647
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:52,930
do like em all but chaos protocols has

1648
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:54,160
got to take the cake because it can

1649
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:56,050
actually improve your life and prepare

1650
01:03:00,060 --> 01:02:57,970
you for the harsh reality ahead yeah

1651
01:03:01,349 --> 01:03:00,070
starships is great but I haven't figured

1652
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:01,359
out how it's gonna help people pay the

1653
01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:04,090
rent in fact I just got back from a trip

1654
01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:05,980
to my old stomping grounds in Missouri

1655
01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:08,260
and I just kept thinking how so many of

1656
01:03:12,540 --> 01:03:10,030
my friends could benefit from that book

1657
01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:12,550
and I want to dispense it out to all of

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:13,780
them but then I'm the guy from

1659
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:15,250
California coming back and telling

1660
01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:17,290
everybody how to live and that's its own

1661
01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:19,270
cliche that never seems to work but

1662
01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:21,460
nevertheless it's a beautiful thing and

1663
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:23,470
before we call this meeting of the

1664
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:25,450
midnight society closed there's another

1665
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:27,849
quote from Pieces of Eight I wanted to

1666
01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:30,400
use to make one more point and our

1667
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:32,980
favorite wizard here writes Magic's

1668
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:34,510
great power has always been an

1669
01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:36,880
ontological one this is what we do we

1670
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:39,190
map these dangerous roads not to defeat

1671
01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:42,070
or change power the new boss is ever the

1672
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,480
same as the old one and it is

1673
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:45,280
politically and historically naive to

1674
01:03:49,770 --> 01:03:47,050
think otherwise but to build better

1675
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:49,780
lives outside the grasp and beyond the

1676
01:03:55,290 --> 01:03:52,690
sight of monoculture and that's powerful

1677
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:55,300
guys it speaks to a switch I'm going

1678
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,500
through and have been wrestling with for

1679
01:04:00,089 --> 01:03:58,480
a few years is the goal to start a

1680
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:00,099
revolution and tear down the power

1681
01:04:04,170 --> 01:04:02,770
pyramid brick by brick sure it sounds

1682
01:04:06,329 --> 01:04:04,180
good shouted through a megaphone in

1683
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:06,339
Texas but is it wiser to admit you can't

1684
01:04:10,589 --> 01:04:08,710
make people change the system will

1685
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:10,599
probably always be there and maybe I'll

1686
01:04:14,190 --> 01:04:12,609
never really be in a position to stand

1687
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:14,200
between a puppet master and his wealth

1688
01:04:18,359 --> 01:04:15,280
extracting Wars

1689
01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:18,369
I can't impose my utopia on everyone and

1690
01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:20,800
that really shouldn't be the goal maybe

1691
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:22,869
is just more about a personal revolution

1692
01:04:26,609 --> 01:04:25,089
and amassing enough personal power to

1693
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,619
step outside at least some of the

1694
01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:29,200
prison's it's a deep issue for people in

1695
01:04:33,390 --> 01:04:31,300
the conspiratorial realm especially when

1696
01:04:35,950 --> 01:04:33,400
you can't force the masses to wake up

1697
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:35,960
any faster and life's too short to wait

1698
01:04:40,570 --> 01:04:38,450
there is a certain Zenoss to admitting

1699
01:04:43,150 --> 01:04:40,580
that though a certain sigh of relief and

1700
01:04:44,740 --> 01:04:43,160
it might sound cynical but it shouldn't

1701
01:04:46,930 --> 01:04:44,750
I mean we all have to fight a personal

1702
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:46,940
battle against the system if more and

1703
01:04:52,030 --> 01:04:49,250
more people build their lives outside of

1704
01:04:54,339 --> 01:04:52,040
monoculture it will naturally weaken and

1705
01:04:55,900 --> 01:04:54,349
dissipate but there may always just be a

1706
01:04:57,820 --> 01:04:55,910
certain percentage of people that stick

1707
01:04:59,470 --> 01:04:57,830
to what they're told and the meaningless

1708
01:05:01,570 --> 01:04:59,480
jobs that come with that the white

1709
01:05:03,099 --> 01:05:01,580
picket fence the freshly cut lawn of

1710
01:05:04,810 --> 01:05:03,109
immaculate sand the quarter million

1711
01:05:07,210 --> 01:05:04,820
dollars were the debt that comes with it

1712
01:05:10,180 --> 01:05:07,220
it's dumb but it's not my job to tell

1713
01:05:12,310 --> 01:05:10,190
people how to live it's my job to be my

1714
01:05:15,490 --> 01:05:12,320
best self and work towards the life that

1715
01:05:17,260 --> 01:05:15,500
works best for me as much as I love it I

1716
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:17,270
know people who would actually hate in

1717
01:05:20,770 --> 01:05:19,250
my life and by definition only a

1718
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:20,780
fraction of us will ever really be

1719
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:23,030
outliers and just the fact that you're

1720
01:05:27,460 --> 01:05:24,890
listening to this show means you have at

1721
01:05:30,250 --> 01:05:27,470
least one foot out the door but to take

1722
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,260
a line from the wise sage John Mayer I

1723
01:05:33,970 --> 01:05:32,000
do know people who are waiting on the

1724
01:05:36,579 --> 01:05:33,980
world to change and magic is about

1725
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:36,589
changing your world so think about that

1726
01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:39,170
people it's about all I got I wish

1727
01:05:42,730 --> 01:05:41,030
everybody the best of luck I appreciate

1728
01:05:44,380 --> 01:05:42,740
all the time people spend listening to

1729
01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:44,390
the higher side chats and I'll see you

1730
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:47,060
at the crossroads your move alien ghosts

1731
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:50,450
you're buckin

1732
01:05:59,260 --> 01:05:54,890
Cawood it's your show now so what's it

1733
01:06:03,700 --> 01:05:59,270
gonna be people will tune in to hear

1734
01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:03,710
another new conspiracy almost too much

1735
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:07,790
oh we thought this was low it's bad

1736
01:06:17,020 --> 01:06:11,570
getting worse so we're all the good

1737
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:17,030
people go there on the higher side chats

1738
01:06:25,650 --> 01:06:21,770
cuz it's everybody's favorite show we're

1739
01:06:35,230 --> 01:06:28,780
he got Jamar's golden white and then the

1740
01:06:38,020 --> 01:06:35,240
scroll they talk this sin that on the

1741
01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:38,030
high side chat testing one two now what

1742
01:06:41,890 --> 01:06:40,790
you gonna do bad news misuse got too

1743
01:06:44,290 --> 01:06:41,900
much to loops

1744
01:06:47,710 --> 01:06:44,300
give me some truth now hoops side we on

1745
01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:47,720
whatever you say turn on the boob tube

1746
01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:51,430
I'm in mood to a baby so lead me astray

1747
01:07:00,700 --> 01:06:55,460
by the way now we're all the good people

1748
01:07:06,099 --> 01:07:00,710
go they lock them up it seems you're

1749
01:07:12,339 --> 01:07:06,109
protesting Monsanto we're all the good

1750
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:12,349
people go there on the THC my favorite

1751
01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:23,510
sitting down new episode to hear wanna

1752
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:26,820
light a bowl but I fear the police can

1753
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:30,960
you hear me can't interrupt me from this

1754
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:35,280
friendly conversation been waiting all

1755
01:07:46,790 --> 01:07:41,910
week for THC with the car would there's

1756
01:07:50,050 --> 01:07:46,800
no hesitation exposing the truth getting

1757
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:55,030
M schemes conspiracies and treason

1758
01:08:03,849 --> 01:07:58,170
it's an excellent show what I need to

1759
01:08:11,540 --> 01:08:06,890
then I'm getting hate and fear from all

1760
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:11,550
the other home thread all the good

1761
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,110
guess that makes THC my favorite show on

1762
01:08:29,599 --> 01:08:26,880
the highest I'd chat testing one two now

1763
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,609
what you gonna do bad news miss uske

1764
01:08:35,690 --> 01:08:31,560
give me some truth you got too much to

1765
01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:35,700
lose recital on today anyway okay

1766
01:08:38,990 --> 01:08:36,630
whatever you say

1767
01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:39,000
wrong it doesn't open in the mood to a

1768
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:42,839
patient to station desensitizing to

1769
01:08:48,030 --> 01:08:44,049
nation

1770
01:08:51,939 --> 01:08:50,379
hey guys thanks for listening to the

1771
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:51,949
first hour of the higher side chats

1772
01:08:56,349 --> 01:08:54,290
podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you

1773
01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:56,359
don't know there is a second hour to all

1774
01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:58,730
the episodes we do around here generally

1775
01:09:02,140 --> 01:09:00,440
we're able to get a lot deeper into the

1776
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,150
topics and ideas that a guest is about

1777
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:04,159
so if you enjoyed what you've heard from

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01:09:09,490 --> 01:09:07,310
THC for free consider signing up at the

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1781
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:13,790
together each month I never really

1782
01:09:17,410 --> 01:09:15,679
wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast

1783
01:09:19,390 --> 01:09:17,420
but I really hate the idea of spending

1784
01:09:21,490 --> 01:09:19,400
airtime promoting some product that's

1785
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:21,500
completely unrelated and telling you the

1786
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best way to support the show is to buy

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or something crazy like that so instead

1789
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,170
if you like the show double your time

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with it for five bucks a month and let's

1791
01:09:35,499 --> 01:09:33,859
cut out all the other [\h__\h] it's half the

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01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:39,889
month collectively it keeps us stable

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and it frees me from wasting your time

1796
01:09:45,849 --> 01:09:43,279
with anything but the show you came to

1797
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,859
listen to it's really the only way for

1798
01:09:49,629 --> 01:09:47,839
an independent one-man show to make it

1799
01:09:51,849 --> 01:09:49,639
and I do what I can so that it's worth

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01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:51,859
your while since we started this I've

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01:09:55,839 --> 01:09:53,839
always tried to use the subscriptions to

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01:09:58,419 --> 01:09:55,849
improve the podcast and make signups

1803
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more advantageous it started with just a

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01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,349
second hour for the main show but now

1805
01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:02,000
we've got a nice forum going where

1806
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:04,070
people can get deeper in conversation

1807
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:05,780
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submit a candidate in the guest request

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01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:14,719
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1812
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:17,270
the entrepreneurs thread the forum in

1813
01:10:20,649 --> 01:10:18,710
the Plus comments they're always the

1814
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,659
first places I try to go for listener

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01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:22,880
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show gets more popular because of that

1817
01:10:28,570 --> 01:10:27,110
there's also a direct messaging feature

1818
01:10:31,390 --> 01:10:28,580
that you can use to reach me through the

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1820
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:33,020
you like any of the music I've used for

1821
01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:35,210
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01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:36,980
make and I provided all its free

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downloads to plus members too so if you

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01:10:42,879 --> 01:10:40,699
like a particular song you've heard

1825
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:42,889
close the show out recently come get the

1826
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1827
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:47,270
don't like the idea of paying $5

1828
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:49,610
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01:10:54,129 --> 01:10:51,770
buy three months six months or a year

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plenty of listeners who send checks and

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01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:00,500
make it as easy for people as I can and

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01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,560
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1841
01:11:16,930 --> 01:11:14,480
great solutions and one of those would

1842
01:11:19,630 --> 01:11:16,940
be the iPhone app that just recently hit

1843
01:11:21,730 --> 01:11:19,640
the Apple App Store a super kind and

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01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,740
talented listener made it for us and you

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01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,600
can use it to stream or download either

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01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:25,760
the free or the plus show if you're on

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01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:28,730
Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast

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01:11:32,890 --> 01:11:30,290
addict and subscribe to the feed

1849
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:32,900
manually that way I also try to throw an

1850
01:11:37,570 --> 01:11:35,600
occasional bonus shows or QA shows and

1851
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:37,580
I've got a few other weird ideas I might

1852
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:39,770
get to try out soon but I give you all I

1853
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:41,690
can for five bucks and I hope you'll at

1854
01:11:45,070 --> 01:11:43,370
least give it a shot if you've listened

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01:11:46,810 --> 01:11:45,080
to a few free shows and you find them

1856
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:46,820
unique or valuable I know there's a lot

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01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:48,650
of podcasts out there and I'm just one

1858
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:50,810
of them but if you have any questions

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01:11:54,130 --> 01:11:52,610
concerns or comments about any of this

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01:11:56,980 --> 01:11:54,140
please get in touch with us at the

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01:11:58,930 --> 01:11:56,990
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1862
01:12:00,340 --> 01:11:58,940
also wanted to plug the higher side

1863
01:12:02,170 --> 01:12:00,350
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01:12:04,420 --> 01:12:02,180
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for the show the higher side chats com

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you can also get on that email list

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through the higher side chats Facebook

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page there's a button there as well but

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the reason I'm doing this is because I

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get tons and tons of emails after a show

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goes up asking me about how I feel about

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a particular guest or topic and the

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wrap-up isn't always the best place to

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do that

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especially if I have anything negative

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to say sometimes the dust needs to

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settle sometimes they need to hear

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feedback from you guys first there are a

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lot of factors but I usually have

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something to communicate to you and I

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just don't get to do it so on the first

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of the month I plan to send out a little

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newsletter with my thoughts about the

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five shows the previous month and talk

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to you about anything else that's on my

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mind or that's going on and what's

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probably most enticing is that I'm gonna

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give you some insight into at least one

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guest I have coming up in the month

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which people have been begging for some

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posted schedule for a long time I

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personally think I'd like the surprise

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but sign up for the higher side

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newsletter it's free it comes out on the

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1st of the month and I won't waste your

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time with any other emails and that's it

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I appreciate you listening I try to give

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alternative ideas and guests a fair

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shake on a high quality podcast expose

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some deep level conspiracies without the

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yelling

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and I hope to offer some inspiration

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that even though the system relentlessly

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suggests you should follow their

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blueprint to mediocrity you can do your

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own thing and live a much happier life

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despite all the negativity in the world